Baptism Necessary for Salvation?

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Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:35:11 +0100

Rory, Salvation is made accessible only through faith, true. But as to your (continued) assertion, I have tried to correct in the series of 10 posts that I linked to above.

God bless you. - Rey

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Mon, 08 Aug 2005 01:01:35 +0100

Recently I have been led by the Holy Spirit to the topic of Salvation. When the bible say beleive and you are saved, it\'s not talking broadway( beleive then act a fool, beleive then lose your faith) It\'s talking narrowly( beleive now, beleive tommorrow and beleive on your death bed). So salvation can only be given by God to a true beleiver. A true beleiver endures in their beleif to the end. How can a road be narrow when everyone starts on it then they all reach the finish line and half of them didn\'t have saving faith. Baptism grants a man the Holy Spirit. What\'s the purpose of Calvary if our sins arn\'t washed away. Baptism represents all of calvary and the resurrection, people try to hide baptism be saying there is no power in the water. So is there power in the stick moses held. No, God grants all power. Figure out the rest. If your ears is itching walk the wide road and see what happens at the end. You punishment will be worst than the person who never beleived in the first place. God bless. Correct me if you feel i am wrong. - Rory Ivey

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Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:27:30 +0100

[u]Past Comments[/u]
Written by david on 2005-05-19 16:52:52
I\'m very interested ib what you have to say about this. My wife and I both grew up Lutheran, and there are four grandparents who are quite displeased that half of their grandchildren are not baptised. We are such irresponsible parents!

Written by biblerey on 2005-05-19 23:47:35
I believe it weighs heavily on the conscience of anyone who comes from a long history of this sort of baptism. I pray that I am faithful with the transmission of the message.

Written by brian on 2005-05-20 00:25:37
Interesting... I missed those comments in your earlier post or I would have spoken up. I suspect Rory is a member of the Curch of Christ but notice that he has only 4 steps listed where they usually have 6 :
1) Hear 2) Believe 3) Repent 4) Confess 5) Be baptized 6) Remain faithful.

As far as Ephesians 4 goes, I would have to agree with you and say that the main emphasis on the passage is unity and to read it without that understanding is Paul\'s main intent.

The \"one baptism\" I do not think means that there was only ever one mode of baptism. In fact, you\'ve given plenty of examples to show that cannot be the case. In fact, the mode is not even in view here and neither is anything which makes salvation contingent on baptism by immersion. To say that it does is to read into the text an a priori understanding of salvation.

The \"one baptism\" must fit into the overall context. It, along with the other things listed, seem to be given as evidences of unity. Paul seems to be saying \"See, there is only one of all these things, so therefore how is it not possible to have \'unity of the Spirit\'\".

I\'ve rambled enough for now. Maybe I\'ll say more later.

Written by biblerey on 2005-05-20 08:00:45
Good points brother...and ones that I plan to explore further as well. I\'ll enjoy your input. - Rey